10th Edition Could Fix Codexes

Aug 14, 2023

10th Edition Could Fix Codexes

In this video Jay goes though why he thinks 10th edition could fix the Codex system for Warhammer 40k! We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday!

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0.12 -> foreign

3.12 -> here welcome to eons of battle and I am actually somewhat lukewarm excited for codexes

16.02 -> not specifically the codexes but what they're going to bring to Warhammer 40 000 because I

21.36 -> have really been enjoying a 10th edition and what I really love about 10th edition is the keywords

27.42 -> and detachments not incredibly used right now with the index rules but I think that they're really

33.96 -> telling of things to come now Warhammer 40 000 has always kind of been a mess but why has it always

40.56 -> been so much fun and exciting and awesome is because Games Workshop is always coming out with

45.72 -> new models that without any real thought processes of what each Army actually needs they only focus

52.92 -> on fun in sixth edition it was all about bringing out these new big vehicles in the form of

59.04 -> monstrous creatures they would always have them be monsters creatures because the vehicle rules

62.52 -> sucked in seventh edition it was all about Army detachments that gave you access to free units in

68.64 -> exchange for taking certain groupings of things which was very fun and flavorful and absolutely

74.28 -> broke the game badly but that's that's what makes Warhammer so awesome is that it's really

82.62 -> focused on fun and Warhammer 40 000 has become so big and so unwieldy that I now see an actual

90.84 -> usable framework that everything has been laid on top of and that is detachments and keywords

96.48 -> now attachments are excellent because they give army-wide special rules to your faction as long as

101.28 -> everything is everything is put together properly in the list building stage specifically with the

106.14 -> Space Marines All Space Marines have access to just Space Marine oath of moments where they're

110.58 -> really good at focusing down one thing a turn perfect for Space Marines very tactical very

115.2 -> fluffy but then you have your choice of Detachment right now there's the Gladius Detachment which is

120.48 -> just the generic Space Marine one where you can cycle through these different Buffs throughout

124.98 -> the game pretty pretty decent but what has me really excited is the black Templar detachments

131.04 -> the righteous Crusade Detachment which gives you an option of Buffs in which you can pick exactly

137.22 -> Lee in what way you want to punch really hard in melee combat it's I would love to see that across

143.82 -> all armies right now the black Templars are really the only ones to get that sort of treatment which

148.32 -> also the big props to the black Templar for being the coolest Space Marines ever like literally the

155.88 -> Space Marines aren't even a first founding chapter like they never participated in the Horus heresy

161.04 -> like for years and years and years black Templar were just over there with like the flesh Terrors

166.44 -> and the Crimson fists as those Space Marine chapters that you've never heard of but they

169.92 -> were so badass that now we are the poster boys of Space Marines and I absolutely love it but I think

176.22 -> that this Detachment ability can actually let you have those smaller factions inside of super

181.74 -> factions Space Marines are obviously the Pinnacle of the super faction where you have Space Marines

187.5 -> at the top of the tier and then as you work your way down you've got like blood angels white scars

192.24 -> Crimson fists and all of those can have their own abilities without necessarily really getting new

198.12 -> data sheets and if Games Workshop does want to actually make new models instead of the entire

202.8 -> range getting horribly bloated with all of these new things and the new things do tend to be better

209.1 -> and even when they're not better they're just different and different does tend to throw a

214.08 -> monkey wrench into the whole system but the black Templars specifically have access to essentially

218.22 -> two things that the Space Marines don't get access to they have the Crusader Squad and the sword

222.06 -> Brethren and really regular Space Marines do have access to these things in the form of just assault

227.7 -> intercessors and blade guard veterans but the black Templar just have slightly cooler slightly

233.16 -> different versions of these things I think it'd be very easy now for Games Workshop to actually

237.48 -> bring out more chapter specific things and just not have them either be their own tiny little

243.3 -> baby sub faction that nobody plays because they're barely fleshed out because Games Workshop can only

247.5 -> release like one or two new model kits for that Army for the year while letting while letting

252.9 -> the whole range breathe a little bit because the black Templar are you know they have their own

257.1 -> attachment with their own attachment abilities that actually does make everything else in the

261.3 -> Space streaming codex a little more black Templar Z everything across the board fights just a little

266.46 -> bit better in close combat everything across the board is just a little bit better at fighting the

270.72 -> evil vile which is that the 41st Millennia and so even though the Space Marines and the blacktemps

276.12 -> are almost the exact same thing the black Templar they got their spice they got their Spice in the

280.74 -> Detachment and the keywords I would love to see something similar for all of the Space Marines

284.94 -> and basically everything in Warhammer 40 000 maybe the white scars could have some special outriders

290.76 -> maybe with some like power Lance type weapons that get sustained hits on the charge iron hands could

297.24 -> get a Terminator Sergeant for their intercessor squads that can tank tons and tons of wounds and

302.04 -> make the overall Squad much more survivable and Incredibly fluffy because they used to be

305.88 -> able to do that back in the good old days and there's just it just seems like that's kind of

310.86 -> the direction that things are headed in because looking at the B snaggers that came out in 9th

315.12 -> Edition for the Orcs if the had come out in sixth or seventh or probably even 8th Edition they would

320.82 -> have been their own Army just their own Army that has like four units in it they can sort of take

326.52 -> and pick and choose from some of the orc lists but really they're just their own baby little faction

331.8 -> that doesn't exist but they do exist they're just regular Orcs and everybody can access

336.54 -> them everybody can play with them everybody can have fun with them but I could totally see down

340.56 -> the line there being like a great green Beast Detachment that not only benefits the Beast

346.44 -> naggers and for people who want to spam tons and tons of bee snaggers or have a bee snag a style

350.7 -> list it also will take all of the units in the orc codex and make them a little bit more bee snag at

356.76 -> e without having to change any actual data cards for the Army you can just make them play like they

363.48 -> feel like they should play the Black Templar play like they feel like they should play and it is

367.86 -> awesome and I want this feeling to be splashed out into all of the different factions of Warhammer 40

373.14 -> 000 things like farsight Enclave for the Tau a little bit more of a close combat Focus thing

378.54 -> I guess that would be more view or la which is the Super Hyper aggressive Tau weird things like

384.24 -> the Eldar exudites the little Dino riding Eldar they could have their own Detachment and maybe

388.5 -> one or two new units that make them just feel like the old school weird Elder exudites should

394.56 -> feel like and I think that the detachments and the keywords are going to be the thing

397.74 -> that lets lets it actually work like if anybody remembers back in the day when tempestus Scions

404.1 -> came out they were their own Army but they really weren't it's literally three kits and one of those

409.8 -> kits is a dual kit and so you can spam the tarox prime and the pesus ion and the pesticion leader

416.58 -> hero team and that was literally literally it you could bring a valkyrie for Fun's Funyun rings but

422.04 -> other than that it was just kind of nothing the same thing happened with the harlequins where

426.66 -> you know they had a smattering of units and they could perform well in game but they became really

432.84 -> predictable because literally there is nothing to take but a harlequin detachments what let

437.7 -> you take tons of harlequins make your harlequins because you are a dedicated Harlequin Detachment

442.02 -> player play a little bit better and you still have access to pick and choose from the actual

446.46 -> Eldar Codex and those things that you pick are going to be a little bit more on the Harlequin

450.3 -> side of things it just seems like an actually good system in place so that games our shop can

456.24 -> do what they do which is make really cool models and have the game not become an absolute mess it's

462.18 -> always going to be a little rough around the edges because there's literally thousands of

466.14 -> data cards but still the sliders available in a Detachment is just like special rules that apply

472.2 -> to particular models with keywords as opposed to actually going in and saying okay we got it

476.94 -> wrong the toughness of this unit should really be a three they should have a leadership of five

480.72 -> instead of six and they really should have a two up to hit on their gun like all you don't have

486.6 -> to change any of those things because now you have the Detachment abilities and the keyword abilities

490.92 -> so keyword bee snaga maybe they ignore the actual [ __ ] like the core mechanic of the orc Army but

496.98 -> they have their own version of a [ __ ] or they're just unbelievably good at killing beasts because

502.2 -> they're the bee snackers that's literally what they do is they're the Monster Hunters of the

505.92 -> Orcs it would be so great and the reason that this has me really excited for the codexes I'm

512.04 -> not necessarily excited for the codexes because the codexes have always been a little on the

516.6 -> problematic side of things forever it was really fun when I was getting into Warhammer 40K and

521.82 -> buying like the fifth edition codexes because it was my first experience with them they were

525.9 -> beautiful they had tons of great artwork they had the painting and modeling section towards the back

530.52 -> of the book it was great and then I bought the sixth edition codexes and the seventh edition

535.14 -> codexes and they kept being the exact same thing even the 8th Edition codexes when Games Workshop

540.42 -> had its big another big shift in the actual core mechanics of the game it was still pretty much

545.94 -> the exact same formula with the exact same lore copy and pasted from the seventh book into the 8th

551.76 -> edition book and it just it left a bad taste in my mouth and we've also all experienced how perfect

558.72 -> just digital rules for this game are nobody gets super upset when an index goes from index 1.0 to

566.4 -> 1.1 you get it they made some changes the new changes are highlighted in red you know go easy

572.76 -> to to do it's really frustrating when your actual book gets dlc'd and then you have to Sharpie in

579.12 -> the margins this is actually how this rule works I kind I still find it a little bit fun to highlight

586.14 -> and Sharpie and write things in the margins but that should be my own prerogative not you have

591.48 -> to fix the Codex before you start to play with the rules that are written in this codex it's just not

596.46 -> the best way to do things and Games Workshop is kind of stuck in a corner they know where their

601.74 -> bread is buttered they know that the codexes are just a way for them to print money like literally

606.06 -> print money because it's a print medium and so it's much better for them to be able to go New

610.8 -> necron Codex with the new necron units coming out this winter and which is it just kind of

616.38 -> works better for them than just dumping all of the rules available at once and then later on saying

622.2 -> right now we're focusing on the tyranids it's a little bit awkward but like we've all experienced

627.06 -> how great free rules are and the the app not the worst thing ever probably shouldn't be paywall

633.84 -> because it has one giant flaw and that is that you have to actually have to input every single

638.22 -> War gear every single time it doesn't matter if all of your cultists have fists you have to tell

643.2 -> the app that you have 29 Fists in the squad even though it gives you an error report that you don't

649.74 -> have the appropriate number of fists so it knows you're wrong but it can't just fix it for you you

654.36 -> actually have to go and fix it yourself it's wild and they're putting it behind a payroll which you

658.98 -> can have paywall rules or you can have codexes I feel like it's a pretty big ask to have both

666.6 -> I am kind of excited to see what happens when these codexes start to come out the tyranids and

671.16 -> the Space Marines are going to come out this fall and they're gonna have to be different because

675.06 -> Warhammer 40 000 is different now my idea for for codexes has always been the codexes should

681.78 -> be giant homes of lore and pretty pictures and I think that people would still want to purchase

687.72 -> these things just to have their army in their hands and just read forever about how badass their

693.48 -> specific guys are and maybe have the rules in there as well but it's not a necessity you still

698.64 -> have the app you still have the online indexes you have PDFs you have everything that you need

703.14 -> but you can buy these really cool books instead of you probably sort of should get the book the rules

710.82 -> are available for free online you really should probably get the book because it has the updated

714.66 -> rules and another pretty problem with the Codex is some Army is going to have to wait for the better

718.8 -> part of a year if not years to get their really cool treatments I'm kind of excited to see if

725.04 -> Elder exodies are gonna make their way into the game who knows when that might happen because we

729.6 -> have to wait for the physical codex release before we get access to those rules how much fun would it

735 -> be if on a random Tuesday Games Workshop was like here's the Rhino Rampage Detachment for the Space

740.52 -> Marines that sounds like fun maybe I'll try that out this weekend that sounds like it'll be a ball

746.4 -> that would be so much fun but just getting the Space Marine codex my hands and saying oh here's

751.08 -> eight detachments I guess I'll just read them and pick the best one it's usually what happens

756.24 -> when everything is delivered in one giant Chunk in terms of the gameplay but I almost I almost

761.88 -> wish that games our shop could flip it where the game is almost triple fed and the models

768.12 -> are just delivered in one giant chunk I don't think that's kind of what's gonna happen but I

772.92 -> am very excited to see what these new codexes look like I really hope they'll be different

776.7 -> even if they're not incredibly different they're gonna have some new things these detachments and

781.5 -> keywords are definitely going to be a big deal and no matter what direction games exercise go with

785.88 -> these detachments you're gonna need some really good terrain and why not get the absolute best

790.08 -> terrain which is available on our patreon over there we have a new STL terrain set every single

794.88 -> month and this month we have the corpse starch Factory an entire board full of machinery and

800.7 -> servitors and lots and lots of blood we also make extra episodes of EOB host live Discord Hangouts

806.52 -> and we have a tier where you can get your name on one of my Space Marines and you can join the

809.76 -> immortal Crusade we also stream twice a week on Twitch every Tuesday and Thursday from 5 30 to 8

814.86 -> PM Central Time come hang out and talk Warhammer maybe talk about these attachments and some

818.94 -> ideas for the future I'm very excited to see what they're gonna do moving forward I think that they

823.86 -> finally have some bones that can actually support the game they've created as opposed to just coming

830.4 -> out with things in a fairly random format I think the detachments are actually going to let the game

835.44 -> breathe a little bit and it's I kind of felt like Games Workshop was kind of at the end Warhammer

840.96 -> is done there's already too many models for every single Army but now with detachments I actually

845.76 -> think games are chappa has infinite range to expand for the future thanks for watching

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